Should slide mounted red dot / optics have a division to compete in IDPA?

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Should slide mounted red dot / optics have a division to compete in IDPA?

Well What are your thoughts? ***Caution*** bad language!!

 

 

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No. Let 'em go play in USPSA

No. Let 'em go play in USPSA or ICORE.

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Yes. At some point IDPA will

Yes.

At some point IDPA will need to catch up with current defensive weapons.  These slide mounted optics are used by law enforcement and citizens with CCW's.  

Oh yeah, 

 

I'm ready!

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Isn't the premise of IDPA to

Isn't the premise of IDPA to provide a place for the AVERAGE person to compete with AVERAGE readily available equipment against others of equal skill and equipment in a scenario-based environment? I'm thinkin' that the above G26 is pretty far from average, being as how those doo-dads and the extra machining far exceed the base cost of said firearm. Now, as to the question of whether it would add anything to the sport... I think not. Primarily because there are already venues for those who wish to use 'enhanced' firearms. Would it advance the sport? Probably not. Because most of those shooters in the new division would, most likely, already be participants in the sport. Feel the need to use optics? Use one of the existing venues.

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CSeverance wrote:Isn't the

[quote=CSeverance]Isn't the premise of IDPA to provide a place for the AVERAGE person to compete with AVERAGE readily available equipment against others of equal skill and equipment in a scenario-based environment? I'm thinkin' that the above G26 is pretty far from average, being as how those doo-dads and the extra machining far exceed the base cost of said firearm. Now, as to the question of whether it would add anything to the sport... I think not. Primarily because there are already venues for those who wish to use 'enhanced' firearms. Would it advance the sport? Probably not. Because most of those shooters in the new division would, most likely, already be participants in the sport. Feel the need to use optics? Use one of the existing venues.[/quote]

 

The rulebook only uses the word "average" once, as in average shooter.  No mention of average equipment.  It does however say, "practical handguns and holsters that are truly suitable for self-defense" the G19 in the picture above is on my carry permit is carried often.  It is far more a "defensive" gun than my 625 or your 686! wink  However, I am adding a 625 Mountain Gun to my permit soon!

Now that said, do I think IDPA will adopt them anytime soon?  No.  

There are some that said, red-dots had no place on rifles in combat.  And if given the choice, some may ride their horse to the range and shoot their cap and ball revolver!

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  The rulebook only uses the

 

The rulebook only uses the word "average" once, as in average shooter.  No mention of average equipment.  It does however say, "practical handguns and holsters that are truly suitable for self-defense" the G19 in the picture above is on my carry permit is carried often.  It is far more a "defensive" gun than my 625 or your 686! wink  However, I am adding a 625 Mountain Gun to my permit soon!

Now that said, do I think IDPA will adopt them anytime soon?  No.  

There are some that said, red-dots had no place on rifles in combat.  And if given the choice, some may ride their horse to the range and shoot their cap and ball revolver!

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Valid points all... though only The Shadow knows what ev...er...ah... stuff will be in the new, improved rule book. Gotta say that, if I had the wherewithall, I would install an rmr on my G30... AFTER I put a new 30S slide, of course. ;-) Optics on combat guns are a plus, in my book... with iron BUS for Murphy.

The ability to shoot straight is that part of national security which affects the individual more than any other. - Merritt "Red Mike" Edson; CMOH-USMC

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I see Jerry Miculek is all

I see Jerry Miculek is all over it. Open attached link.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcR2armhilo

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I really like my M & P pro.

I really like my M & P pro. But to use optics in IDPA, you should have to be blind in at least one eye and no less than 70 old and handsome.

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I believe the new rulebook

I believe the new rulebook will be removing the "spirit of self defense, pratical, blah blah" from the new book. I just have a hunch.

I do hope (pie in the sky) dream that the you could create an AOW division (Any Other Weapon). Basically if it doesn't fit in any of the other divisions, but fits in the box or is a revolver, you could shoot it in the AOW division for no score. Still limit the rules to dis allow high velocity rounds and any other safety consern. Comps are legal on AOW. This would create a division for my 8 shot (ICORE) revolver or a full dust cover (USPSA) 1911.This would in turn generate more revenue for clubs that dont have multiple clubs in their area. Face it not everyone loved IDPA. But Everyone loves shooting center fire ammo in 9mm to .45 ACP while running around on a COF. Lets make a Division for all those shooters.

The idea of no score is just that. Tabulate it and return it outside of the other divisions and not include it in the overall results. All the AOW shooters could compare their time with each other or mentally insert their time to the list that ignores them. By not including the time in the overall you preserve the purist their opportunity to finish on top while still allowing a place for everyone to play.

Trigger time on a range running around with a centerfire gun is defensive training with practical equipment for everyday shooters. But my opinion carries no weight so ....more of the same is what I predict from IDPA.

"Unnecessarily restrictive engagement requirements by default is the hallmark of a lazy or flat out terrible stage designer." ~ unknown

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